maybe bill clinton. >> yeah, the clintons. >> rose: the clintons, exactly. does the world still look on the united states as the place that they'd like to see offer real global leadership? >> absolutely. it's-- it's almost daunting because they really do expect to us get our act together, and whether it's global security, global invention, doing governance right, they look to the united states. >> rose: and what do they expect from us? >> they expect to us get our -- >> rose: by example as well as need. >> absolute. they expect, whether it's towfd disease, whether it's how you take care of your people as they get older. how you do education. how you keep driving innovation, how you deal with climate change, they actually expect the united states to take the lead. you know, as much as china is growing, nobody looks to them as a primary role model. . >> rose: because they see the things they do that are not very attractive or because there are so many possibilities of social tension within a country that large? >> ironically it's partly because china is so inw